Gun Rights.........

This seems to be a hot topic with the Supreme Court taking up the D.C. gun ban. I'm sure they'll find a way to "interpret" something written in straightfoward english that any high school student could understand, but how many citizens have permitted themselves to fall into this trap? Which trap? The trap of permitting their views to be colored by the deceptive arguments of their contemporaries. One side is making the argument that the second amendment was included in the Bill of Rights to protect the Govt.'s right to have a militia. O.k., stop laughing and think about this for a minute, every other amendment in the Bill of Rights protects an individual's rights from the Govt.. Who might the founders have been worried about trying to deprive the govt. of their "right" to field troops? C'mon people, the men who wrote this amendment had just thrown off the rule of the mightiest empire of the day through the efforts of armed citizens.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

The second amendment is not about shooting deer, skeet, or even protection against criminals, it is about preserving the ability of the people to resist tyranny. It is specifically exempting weapons which are suited to militia use from any kind of "infringement" or regulation from the state on any level. What kind of weapons are suited for militia use? Any of them really, but in particular those firearms in current use with our own armed forces. For those who do not know, that would be semi-auto pistols and select-fire carbines.

Of the weapons currently widely available, those "eeeeevil black rifles" everyone disparages saying; "there is no need for anyone to own a gun like that", are best suited for militia use. Aside from keeping tyranny at bay, such rifles are well suited to the purposes of those finding themselves facing overwhelming odds as was the case for many beleagured honest citizens trying to hold out in post katrina New Orleans until the cavalry could make the scene.One thing that chapter of American history taught anyone paying attention is that you can't count upon the cavalry or anyone else to pull your bacon out of the fire, you must be prepared to do that yourself. Most buy guns hoping to never have to use them in the gravest extreme, but if you should ever find yourself in that situation you owe it to yourself to stack the odds as heavilly in your favor as you can and that could include provisioning yourself with an AR-15 and learning to use it.

In so many ways what happened in Germany is happening here today.

Ok I just have to disagree I do not think the Government will be taking our guns they know the people will not stand for it. I also think the Supreme Court will hand it back down to the state. I also do not think you need a submachine gun for sport. They say just the sound of a 12 gauge being pumped will do the trick for home protection.

You may not need a submachine gun for sport but then the second ammendent does not cover just sporting guns. And the government should not be able to tell you that you as a legal and lawabiding citizen does not have the right to own any gun.

If the sound of a shotgun being racked is all you need for protection then you should go out and buy a battery powered (since the rapist standing in your doorway has probably shut off your power) and tape record a shotgun being racked. But then if they are illegal then whose shotgun are going to tape record? The person that has broken into your home is not there at 2 am for tea and cookies. A dead witness is a good witness. They don't want someone giving a description of the person that raped and tortured the children in the house. In the time it takes someone to either turn on the tape recording or actually rack their shotgun ... I have a dead attacker on the floor of my house. He will harm no one. He will not rape me or my babies. He will not go next door after he kills me and attack the neighbor. And racking the shotgun gives away your location to the attacker. And pray that it loads that round. A malfunction right now would be bad.

Did you ever think the government would tap into phone lines of people that they think may be terrorists with no warrant or no reason? Did you ever think you would be practically strip searched when you got on an airplane that paid moeny for the ticket to fly on? Did you ever think you would not be able to take a full size bottle of shampoo on the airplane? Did you ever think you would need to go to the pharmacy to get sinus medicine that a week ago was on the shelf? Or that you would hear about kids being expelled from school for wearing a shirt with a gun on it or a confederate flag? Did you think the assualt weapon ban of Clintons would pass? It was based on what a gun looks like not what it can do. Do you think the government regrets Ruby Ridge? Did Randy Weaver expect his wife to be shot in the head on his own land while holding thier baby? Did the settlement bring her back? Or their son? Did you ever think something like the Patriot Act would exist in our country? Or that it would be ready and handy to put into efect when a tragedy like 9/11 happened? No, our government has not earned the trust of its citizens.

Ban rocks. Ban cars. Ban knives. Ban baseball bats. Ban dogs. They have all killed people. In the wrong hands anything can be weapon. Do you wnat the government telling you what it thinks you can handle for protecting yoru family? Phone line cut ... no electricity .... who are you going to call for help when the front door is kicked in? The bad guy with his stolen gun is not going to turn it in to the police to be a good citizen. You are a victim waiting to be attacked by a group of people that know you are a good law abiding citizen and you turned your guns in. After all ... the government will protect you and provide. They did in Katrina. And here comes Santa Claus Many of the people that protected their homes with guns they legally owned had them taken away by the authorities. The picture of the old lady being subdued by the police so they could have her handgun sticks in my mind pretty clearly. Was she safe then? Do you think those people thought their legally owned guns would be taken from them in a time need? I don't mean to tell you that you will be a victim but victims don't plan on being victims. You buckle your seatbelt in your car not because you will be in an accident but because you could be in one and its better to be prepared. Why not own a gun legally and be prepared for what could happen?

exactly , attack cat .

I have never had any guns in my house out of respect for my wife . Who did not want them in the house with the kids ,when they were young. But my dad gave me a shotgun and a rifle that belonged to my grandpa. I used these guns when I was a little boy , for hunting. That is what I use them for now , NOBODY is gonna take these guns away from me. Also if you break into my house at 2:00 am in the morning I am gonna shoot your worthless ass. But I am not sure I will call the police and tell them about..............lol. Because as you say they will take "my" guns and put me in jail for protecting my family...........thats is F***ed up right there.

great post, it's hard to believe where our country is going, but it's here, and people need to wake up!

LEAD wrote:

Ok I just have to disagree I do not think the Government will be taking our guns they know the people will not stand for it. I also think the Supreme Court will hand it back down to the state. I also do not think you need a submachine gun for sport. They say just the sound of a 12 gauge being pumped will do the trick for home protection.

A couple years back Sheriff Tim and Lt.Mosher dropped by the gun club with a couple of HK93's in .45acp. They let us shoot as much as we had ammo to load into them. I fired off one mag in controlled three round bursts, but for the next one I just dumped the whole magazine into the target. Yes, it was as fun as it sounds. I don't know how often I'd want to do that, because those babies go through a lot of ammo in a hurry and ammo ain't cheap, but if they're good enough for the Coshocton Sheriff's Dept, they're good enough for me.

Still, the second ammendment is not about sport...........let me repeat that........the second amendment is not about sport, it's about ensuring that americans would have the means to throw off a tyranous government,it's a "failsafe". For this to mean anything the weapons possessed by the people should be at least as capable as those fielded by agents of the state.

Look it does not bother me if the Government is listing to my phone calls or watching what I do on the computer if I'm not doing anything wrong then i have nothing to worry about. I do want the Government to listen to phone calls I really do not want to wake up to a mushroom cloud over Coshocton even though there is one there all ready due to Stone Container. I know some of you will disagree with me but hell we can still disagree here and not worry about who is going to edit your thoughts at least. There is some things that this Government does which I do not like and I'm not going to list them because it is a long list and there is a lot of laws which are stupid. One of them is the smoking ban another one is wearing seat belts or wearing helmets and so on.

No matter what sort of ban they throw at us. The people using guns illegally are still going to get the guns illegally. It's as simple as that. I can see where a fully automatic weapon or an assault rifle with 3-round burst would be illegal or hard to get. I think I read something last night about a .50 cal Barretta, I think it takes like 3 months to be able to own one or something. That, I can respect, a .50 cal can take down an airplane at taking off and landing. But anyways, they won't take the guns we already have, if that's the case, they'll just stop the selling and transfer of guns. Like before the automatic weapon ban, those people can still have those guns. They just can't trade or sell them. Just watch Red Dawn. ;- )

I guess I better go get some more guns now huh? ............a M110 would be sweet ...........lmao, hell a M24 would do

You can never have enough guns!

Gun control... being able to hit your target!

Gun control = using both hands!

Mike wrote;
"That, I can respect, a .50 cal can take down an airplane at taking off and landing. But anyways, they won't take the guns we already have, if that's the case, they'll just stop the selling and transfer of guns. Like before the automatic weapon ban, those people can still have those guns. They just can't trade or sell them. Just watch Red Dawn. ;- )"

Mike, the problem is that for guns in the hands of citizens to be any kind of a real deterrent to state tyranny, the owners of those guns must be somewhat proficient with them. Owning a gun no more makes you a shooter than owning a piano makes you a musician. Both require a certain amount of skill and practice. If guns are banned, if the sale of ammunition is banned, then no one is practicing or teaching the next generation to defend liberty. I'm sorry, but letting the state ban guns is the point of no return. It's like letting the home invader bind your hands. You may still resist if things go beyond taking your t.v. and dvd player as long as your hands are free, but once you let the invader bind your hands you're helpless.


Regarding using .50 cal rifles to shoot down aircraft, that is extremely unlikely. The .50 cal MACHINE GUNS used in an anti-aircraft role before they became pretty much obsolete for the purpose, and this was the case even during WW2, used full auto fire, tracers, and special anti-aircraft sights to do the poor job that they did and this was with crews trained to use the guns in the anti-aircraft role. All this malarky about using a semi-auto ten round Barret rifle to shoot down airliners is fear mongering propagated by the gun grabbing elitists who never saw a gun they didn't want to keep out of the hands of their potential victims, the citizenry.

State of florida has it up for vote to allow people to have their gun and take it to work with you..must be locked in car of course. That how bad it is here, for us white minority group.......my only problem I have to get to my car by way of a 5 story parking garage. The security where I work is so lazy, they told me one night to go see why a car alarm was going off after I called them from the parking garage, like sure right big lazy butt security guy sit in your posh little office , and send the nurse out to fight crime...I'm waiting for the night the 8 foot gator from the lake beside the helipad, decides he wants to take a gator walk into the parking garage.....guess nurse will need gun for sure then.....

rotorgirl wrote:

State of florida has it up for vote to allow people to have their gun and take it to work with you..must be locked in car of course. That how bad it is here, for us white minority group.......my only problem I have to get to my car by way of a 5 story parking garage. The security where I work is so lazy, they told me one night to go see why a car alarm was going off after I called them from the parking garage, like sure right big lazy butt security guy sit in your posh little office , and send the nurse out to fight crime...I'm waiting for the night the 8 foot gator from the lake beside the helipad, decides he wants to take a gator walk into the parking garage.....guess nurse will need gun for sure then.....

It's ironic rotorgirl that you may be "entrusted" with the lives of others but not with the means of preserving your own life.

Does anoyone know what is happening with the talks in congress about over throwing the right to have guns? The last thing I heard was they would decide in June.